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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

bob wrote:
ccstorms wrote:
Wow, ok who can tell me what just happened to Josephine?




Looks like she got run over by the last wave exiting Africa Shocked
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT...-loop.html

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See that trough/upper feature to the northwest of Josephine? (in your WV link) It just rammed Josephine with a mid-level shear/dry air blast. Those outflow boundaries running out from the west side of Jo mean the thunderstorms have collapsed.....in fact I think the whole central core of Josephine may have collapsed. Jo may not survive and that's good.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

Here is a better view. Looks like a high speed rear end collision of two systems as the wave speeding out of Africa slams into Josephine!

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT...-loop.html

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

I just love it when they get beat up like that. Now if we can just put out a contract on Ike............
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

Tropical Storm JOSEPHINE Forecast Discussion
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TROPICAL STORM JOSEPHINE DISCUSSION NUMBER 7
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL102008
500 PM EDT WED SEP 03 2008

STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR AND DRY AIR HAVE REALLY WORKED A NUMBER ON
JOSEPHINE DURING THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS. AFTER LOOKING RATHER
IMPRESSIVE EARLY THIS MORNING...THE SATELLITE PRESENTATION HAS
SINCE RAPIDLY DEGRADED. CLOUD TOPS HAVE WARMED AND THERE IS NOW A
NOTICEABLE LACK OF ORGANIZATION. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS LOWERED
TO 50 KT BASED ON A BLEND OF THE VARIOUS SATELLITE ESTIMATES BUT
THIS COULD BE A BIT GENEROUS GIVEN JOSEPHINE'S CURRENT APPEARANCE.
IN TERMS OF THE INTENSITY FORECAST...THE ENVIRONMENT GETS MORE
HOSTILE FROM HERE. MOST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS INDICATE THAT
JOSEPHINE WILL CONTINUE TO ENCOUNTER STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR AND SOME
MODELS EVEN SUGGEST THE SHEAR WILL INCREASE. ADDITIONALLY...SSTS
ALONG THE FORECAST TRACK GRADUALLY DECREASE THROUGH ABOUT 3 DAYS.
THE ENVIRONMENT DOES BECOME A LITTLE MORE CONDUCIVE FOR
STRENGTHENING AT DAYS 4 AND 5. HOWEVER...IT IS UNCLEAR WHAT WILL
BE LEFT OF JOSEPHINE BY THAT TIME. THE NEW OFFICIAL INTENSITY
FORECAST IS A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY AND CALLS FOR
GRADUAL WEAKENING.

WITH JOSEPHINE'S FUTURE VERTICAL DEPTH NOW IN QUESTION...THE
STEERING IS A LITTLE LESS CERTAIN. IF THE CYCLONE CANNOT GENERATE
NEW CONVECTION...IT COULD BE STEERED MORE BY THE SHALLOW CURRENTS
AND MOVE WESTWARD OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AS SHOWN BY THE GFS.
CONVERSELY...IF THE CYCLONE CAN REGENERATE CONVECTION AND REMAIN A
DEEP SYSTEM...IT WOULD TEND TO MOVE NORTHWESTWARD AS SHOWN BY THE
NOGAPS AND GFDL MODELS. IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE CYCLONE COULD
HAVE INTERMITTENT BURSTS OF CONVECTION RESULTING IN A STAIR-STEPPED
TRACK. GIVEN THE CURRENT LACK OF ORGANIZATION AND ANTICIPATED
STRONG SHEAR...THE OFFICIAL FORECAST LEANS TOWARD THE GFS RESULTING
IN A SOUTHWARD SHIFT AND SLOWER FORWARD SPEED.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

Sorry Jo.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

Is it possible to defeat the Grim Reaper?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

The NHC says "1. SHOWER ACTIVITY HAS INCREASED THIS MORNING IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE
REMNANTS OF JOSEPHINE...LOCATED ABOUT 1050 MILES WEST OF THE CAPE
VERDE ISLANDS. THIS SYSTEM WILL BE CLOSELY MONITORED FOR SIGNS OF
REGENERATION."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Ref: JOSEPHINE Reply with quote

aaaahhhh, Josephine rises from the dead!! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

NHC running the models again.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: JOSEPHINE / 91L Reply with quote

TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1255 UTC SUN SEP 7 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE JOSEPHINE (AL102008) 20080907 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080907 1200 080908 0000 080908 1200 080909 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 17.1N 40.9W 18.0N 43.0W 19.1N 45.3W 20.0N 47.5W
BAMD 17.1N 40.9W 18.3N 43.0W 19.4N 45.0W 20.2N 46.8W
BAMM 17.1N 40.9W 18.2N 43.0W 19.1N 45.0W 19.8N 46.9W
LBAR 17.1N 40.9W 17.9N 42.7W 18.7N 44.9W 19.4N 47.1W
SHIP 25KTS 28KTS 31KTS 35KTS
DSHP 25KTS 28KTS 31KTS 35KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080909 1200 080910 1200 080911 1200 080912 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 20.6N 49.5W 21.5N 53.5W 22.3N 57.4W 22.9N 61.1W
BAMD 20.6N 48.5W 20.9N 51.6W 21.0N 54.3W 20.8N 56.8W
BAMM 20.2N 48.7W 20.5N 52.2W 20.7N 55.5W 20.5N 58.6W
LBAR 20.0N 49.2W 20.9N 53.2W 21.7N 56.9W 21.8N 59.3W
SHIP 41KTS 51KTS 57KTS 59KTS
DSHP 41KTS 51KTS 57KTS 59KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 17.1N LONCUR = 40.9W DIRCUR = 275DEG SPDCUR = 8KT
LATM12 = 16.9N LONM12 = 39.2W DIRM12 = 277DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 16.7N LONM24 = 37.3W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 50NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1007MB OUTPRS = 1013MB OUTRAD = 150NM SDEPTH = S
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
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